Posts by choosing life

i am feeling sick after reading the question box - it's so cold and unfeeling toward those who use the telephone to listen to congregation meetings.. .

the wts desire to control their weakest members - the infirm and chronically ill - by guilting them into "putting forth the effort to be personally present " at the kingdom hall is disgusting.. .

they are heartless bastards.... ________________________________________.

The phone hookups for meetings have really changed. I used to use it for a while and it was always a fiasco. There were very few meetings where I did not get cut off and have to phone back in, sometimes more than once.

I also had to use the three way calling on my phone and hookup a couple of others with me. One man ALWAYS fell asleep and snored loudly through each meeting. I had a mute button, but he didn't.

Last I heard, the older ladies were kind of fighting over who was sicker and got to use the phone, as there was a limited number available. Some got their feelings hurt as they were not judged sick (worthy) enough and were denied access.

At the same time, the older ladies couldn't find anyone to give them a ride to the meeting and did not want to drive at night. The lack of concern for the sick and elderly is shameful.

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CO asked my wife to wash his laundry...

by Albert Einstein in

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well this happened some 9 years ago, while we were very active and busy in the congregation..... (in my country - eastern europe - there are no laundromats and most people have their washers at home...).

the co was single (age 45?

) and after one of the meetings he came to my wife with a plastic bag full of laundry and asked my wife politely if she could wash it for him till the next meeting.

choosing life

I have heard of CO's asking for people to pay for their dry cleaning, do some alterations, etc., but laundry is kinda personal. Why, on earth, do grown men want to live such dependent lives?

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For Active JW Men: Ideas on Awakening Your JW Spouse (Long post)

by Open mind in

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disclaimer: your mileage may vary.

if you are a married, "active, in good standing" (tm), jw male who has recently discovered that the .

watchtower is not what it claims to be, this thread is for you.

choosing life

Open Mind, it was nice of you to let others know what worked for you and your family.

As I read of so many different outcomes when one spouse wakes up and not the other, I can't help but think each case is very individual. What works for one will not help another.

The best part of having this discussion forum is that we can choose what might help us and leave the rest. It takes a strong person to forge ahead with their plan even when others are stating disapproval. A few have been run off for disagreeing.

Could I have done it the way you did? Nope, but I am glad it worked out for you. The strange part is that I used to be so upset when I had to sit through a meeting. Years later now, I see it as a very small thing with little importance. It just doesn't hold the emotional charge it used to when I first woke up.

Life goes on and I hope you continue to fade away with your family. I am still fading, but really more just continuing with life.

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Ladies: How do I get her to stop flirting without being mean?

by Elsewhere in

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there is this girl at work who has been making it painfully obvious that she's interested, however i'm not interested in her.

so far i'm just acting as though i'm not seeing any of the "making of eyes", "any excuse to talk" or other general flirting.

ladies, how do i make her stop without being mean?

choosing life

Avoid her as much as possible. Giving her any attention at all will only encourage someone like that.

Then, you could just tell her about the love of your life. I don't know, do you have one?

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wife took it pretty well i guess...it's over...

by oompa in

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i guess it only took three years, but they were hell in so many ways for both of us...she was not happy and lived in denial as much as possible...i was not happy and lived in a bottle as much as possible and glad that is over for me....but it was one of the saddest things i have ever experienced in my life....as was the visit to my parents before i told her....but yes...she said she kind of expected it...was thinking something was going to happen soon as she noticed i had more and more trouble saying i love you back to her when she said it on the phone at the end of goodbyes...and when i was leaving the house...i had noticed it for over a year and it was killing me..... i told her how sorry i was for changing so much again....and that she still walks on water...and is a great person and so pretty....and that she will be ok because she was happy single before me for many years and had all she needs for that again...her closeness to jehovah and her freinds in the congregation...she is very close to both and will be ok i hope...it was very surreal....very calm...very sad.

my bitterness and disdain for wt rules came through when talking to my parents and i was very open about how i feel as to their upcoming shunning of me, and how it feels to my son since he was just 17....and how the fear of losing them had kept me trying in my marriage for the past few years...dad was firm in his position of future action....mom said they will still always love me...and will still talk to me until i get dfd.....oh how this hurts.....dad said there is a name for people who only live for themselves and deny god but could not think of what it was....i told him i was not living just for myself...that i am a good person and there are values from him and the bible i hope i always have....i cry so hard as i type this and tell you just so you can know how painful this is....i told him i so loved the rule of treating others how you want to be treated and have always done that...even allowing myself to be wronged on so many occasions to keep peace....... he said that was a good rule....i agreed and said it was a big one too....and that while i could do it...treat him the way i would like to be treated...he would not be able to!.......left as i became emotional...big hug from mom, but i just barely put an arm on dad............oompa.

choosing life

Maybe the worst is behind you already because you are now choosing to carry on exactly as you desire? You have made your decision, all that is left is to work out the details.

Hope you find what you are looking for. Standing at the crossroads can be a scary thing. Having all the answers never really helped us out though.

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millenial reign

by ssn587 in

have been looking for any other references other than in the book of revelation of christ's 1000 year reign.

if any exist i haven't been able to find them so either one doesn't exist or i am brain dead over this issue.

any help will be much appreciated.

choosing life

Revelation has been the most used book for cults. It could mean just about anything, according o the way you slant it. Christ was given all authority over everything when he was resurrected to heaven.

So why has NOTHING changed? People still suffer and die and the earth is far from peaceful. It's been almost 2000 years and nothing, nada. Did you ever wonder why it takes God or Christ so long to turn things around?

In the meantime, people continue to suffer. Does their suffering matter? So a thousand years is like a day to God, but what is it like to mankind? If the sins of mankind and death itself has been conquered, can we please just get on with it?

I am not trying to be blasphemous, just wonder when the feelings of us poor humans will take center stage and get some attention. I'm also not looking for excuses for the delay.

!000 year reign, sounds great, but even that won't solve the problems because they say there will be anther war after that. I just wish the heavenly side of this dilemma would get straightened out so the poor flesh and blood creatures can stop suffering the consequences of their disagreements.

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Assembly hall in Sweden sold....

by Albert Einstein in

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on czech anti jw website there was recently an article about witnesses in sweden.... http://www.straznavez.cz/finance/financnikrize.htm.

it says, witnesses in sweden did built in past years a huge assembly hall for 10.000 persons, it was used for da a cc.

recently it was sold to a private company svenska hem ab and it is used for concerts, exhibitions and conferences (now it is called svenska hem arena).

choosing life

That's a pretty big assembly hall, 10,000 seats. Ours was only about 2000 seats. Maybe they are downsizing?

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Does the Watchtower KNOW they are using mind control techniques?

by finding my way in

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i've read a few other threads about cult mind control as well as steven hassans book comabatting cult mind control.

i also read a thread questioning the watchtowers motives.

are they in it for the money or what?

choosing life

Questions (Not) From Readers is the most blatant display that shows they know exactly what they are doing. How many times have they dropped a big change into one of these articles?

COC also showed that the decisions the governing body made were in response to financial and political reasons. The reasons they gave for the changes were outright lies. Things like the donation only arrangement, not becoming a religion in Mexico so they could own property, the Mexico/Malawi incident, etc.

So they have shown that they will outright LIE about things. If someone wants to talk openly about these things, they disfellowship them to silence them.

The constant droning on at the meetings and the repetition does have an effect on the mind. It is often when someone gets away from these meetings because of sickness or work that they begin to wake up.

So they have to know they are lying and deceiving people and controlling them through coercive measures.